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Justin Alphar's room

2012-11-13 [Duredhel]: Science issue :O, you'd need a powerful electric current and an electromagnet for railgun, Lucas cannot control electricity so he couldn't do either. Jonas and Light (be it in conjunction to Lucas or not) would be better suited to make railguns.

For example, the example of a solenoidal magnetic field, the solenoidal magnet would not create the drag you need for a rail gun. A powerful electric pulse running through it would.

2012-11-13 [Figgy]: X-Men RP, where people make up fictional characters with superpowers and play them, but if your science is wrong...

2012-11-14 [AccountUnavaili able]: In theory, Lucas could manipulate electricity, to the extent of my knowledge anyways.

2012-11-14 [Duredhel]: Nuuupe >>
Magnetism and electricity are different things mate. You modelled his powers after Magneto, right? Ever seen him hurling lightning?

Its a whole other set of powers altogether, it'd be like Jonas suddenly levitating things with electricity.

2012-11-14 [Figgy]: Now, if he was in his 'metal' state, or whatever, he could CONDUCT electricity from an external source through his body, of course not without harm to himself, but I don't see him being able to manipulate it.

2012-11-14 [AccountUnavaili able]: Magnetism is an influence on electrons, moving the electrons creates a charged particle? Also Magneto can generate electromagnetic pulses, it's how he beat Nimrod in the second coming story.

2012-11-14 [Duredhel]: Thematically its a different set of powers :>
Might be good to read "What not do with powers."

Regardless, creating an magnetic field through an electric current is different thematically than mantaining a permanent magnetic field. I imagine one allowing for electric attacks something like railguns whereas the other one is better suited, from a storytelling perspective, to remote manipulation of objects. Ideally you pick one and stick to it rather than try to bleed your character all over the place.

2012-11-14 [AccountUnavaili able]: Again, my physics is rusty, but I'm pretty sure I'm right with Magneto, and I'm not gonna have him firing lightning bolts or anything, was just wondering if the theory was right :3

2012-11-14 [Duredhel]: A magnetic pulse, even without an electric origin, will fry electronics pretty bad (try putting a magnet on your TV XD). And magnetism and electricity are fundamentally linked, however, the railgun is very specific to needing a powerful pulse of electricity. It's why I suggested Jonas and Light. They have the required set of power, electricity in bursts. Lucas's power is related to an entirely different subset, controlled, remote manipulation.

I'm guessing you could say it's the difference between controlling steam and ice, they're both in the same spectrum but you can't say they're the same power.

2012-11-14 [AccountUnavaili able]: Ah ok, think I get it now, thanks for the clear up, I'll have to make a list of do's and do not's with Lucas, maybe get some input from more experienced physics minds.

2012-11-14 [Duredhel]: Aye. It gets a bit tricky, you have to consider what you want your character to do, what your character powers are, realistically, and what is the best choice from a storytelling perspective.

In the same way, if I ever do something silly with my char powers, I'd be thrilled if anyone pointed it out.

PD - Kenna non-withstanding.

Increasing the magnetic field of Justin's portals, for example, would be fun. Or playing with inertia and magnetism (speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out >>)

2012-11-14 [AccountUnavaili able]: Oh that'd be fun, if Lucas were to stand behind a portal, and pull something metal towards him, through the portal, and with another portal infront of the other one...

| -> | L

If that makes any sense. And then just would reposition one of the portals infront of a target. I guess that'd be quite destructive.

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: Physics major here chiming in, Dur by strict definition a rail gun is a set of coils that produce a accumulative magnetic field created from the current going through the field. Now in theory if Lucas can create a doughnut like magnetic field with magnetic vectors pointing out from the center in free space he could make a rail gun without the need for electricity, however that is only in the case that he can free create magnetic fields in free space. If he needs an object however then making a pipe form a set of coils could in fact launch another pipe IF he can create non influenced fields. However if his powers in fact include magnetism then it does somewhat mean he has an influence on electricity but only in so much that he can orient dipoles to form a magnetic dipole (qoute not pure electric lightening bolt throwing electricity or energy but some sort of electric manipulations is required.

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: So the question is WHAT is Lucas' influence on matter?

2012-11-14 [Duredhel]: Concept artist here, check storytelling concerns.

While there was a physics concern, most of the problem was that adding that layer to Lucas' power did not fit the theme already going for it.

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: Well my question is what is Lucas' specific influence on matter to create his fields. im not asking so i create a technicality but i just want to figure it out.

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: if a magnetic solenoid is not aligned magnetically since magnetic fields cannot cross if the majority of the field lines are in the right direction then the out of line lines will auto correct however if it is not and majority in one direction say a 70/30 force in opposing directions (by the way the object fired has to be susceptible to magnetic fields as well, so aluminium and not conductive materials like rocks trees and such cant be ammo) then the object will spin in the direction of most attraction the momentium will keep it spinning basically creating an electric motor... otherwise known as a spinning pole of death that will fly off in any unpredictable direction

2012-11-14 [Duredhel]: Damn XD, Twitch commented first. I'll rephrase my previous comment.
I'll defer to twitch on the feasibility of the rail gun. I still have issues in combat applicability (mentally aligning the needed amount of magnetic fields) and storytelling approach, though.

PD - Damn >> Twitch commented first again. Addendum then; How about simply firing an electric pulse over a pre-built, pre-aligned structure?

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: But in total let me put this into perspective. IF he can manipulate magnetic feilds in free space, field needed to fire anything of a dangerous nature would have to be massive.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VTbFfEEE_qU/0.jpg <---the size needed to fire a small magnetic piece a few feet
http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_EM_Rail_Gun_32MJ_Lab_Dahlgren_lg.jpg <--- current technology needed to fire a bullet at lethal speed.
So he would need a lengthy build up time and stupid amounts of energy but it would be bamf.
However if he has to use matter to create his magnetic fields around (magneto style) he would have to use air molecules meaning a shat ton of them. Ergo allot of concentration and energy for an air inducted magnetic field which would mean a huge volume of air

Railguns... they are complicated

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: Lucas abide by this.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfie.html

actually.... if he constantly varies his magnetic field in a sin wave manner through any conducting LOOP he would create an electrical current

2012-11-14 [twitchboy]: Pre created structure = easy rail gun
free space rail gun = stupid hard one shot pony

2012-11-14 [AccountUnavaili able]: Speaking of science, Lucas is wrong. He was created with magneto's X gene, he should have the exact powers of magneto including learning curve and strength of his power.

2012-11-14 [Figgy]: Not yet if he doesn't know how to use it properly. Still takes practice.

2012-11-14 [XxTsomexX]: Eek. So many comments that fried my brain with the science-ness of them.

2012-11-15 [twitchboy]: http://rlv.zcache.com/science_go_boom_t_shirt-d235715709227552827gc3f_325.jpg

2012-11-15 [twitchboy]: Do we have our combat suites yet and do wee need them atm?

2012-11-15 [Figgy]: I'm only giving you as much information as you need to know right now. So, no :3

2012-12-14 [XxTsomexX]: Zeke is gonna come by and get him eventually. Will be getting that all ready for tomorrow.

2012-12-14 [twitchboy]: kk